Baby Steps

Reject Society has a great post up about Socialism. The comments are down over there, so I’m going to comment here on Collin Williams’ post. The quoted portions are from the post at Reject Society. You don’t need to read the post at Reject Society* to understand what I’m writing about below, but you should read it anyway. It’s a good one.

I am wondering what it will be like when us Generation X types start taking over.

We’ll never get that chance. The Baby Boomers vastly outnumber us. And Generation X is the first generation in human history that has a shorter average life expectancy than the previous generation. So by the time the Baby Boomers are almost all gone, most of Generation X will also be gone. It’ll be up to Generation Y to make changes because I don’t see the Baby Boomers giving up any of the government perks for which they’ve voted.

I suppose Generations X and Y could gang up on the Boomers. I don’t know if we’d have enough numbers even then. And I don’t see how that could be effective as long as the Boomers run Washington.

…[Speaking of] an outright push by both primary political parties for socialism. I am still researching exactly when and how that warp speed to disaster started.

I’ve done no serious research into it, but I have a gut feeling. I think the roots of it began with public schools. Liberals who were more than a little sympathetic to socialism gravitated towards teaching positions in government schools. This was exacerbated with the hippy counter culture, which also gravitated towards teaching positions. All of these socialist/liberal teachers have influenced American school children for at least two generations, perhaps more. Their influence is so great that issues which were once seemingly completely socialist and an anathema to American rights were soon seen as logical, proper steps to take for the greater good. In short, they desensitized the American public towards socialism to such an extent that a great many people don’t recognize socialism and the dangers of it when they are face to face with it.

But I think that the true push began with the end of the cold war. Communism was supposedly defeated. “Former” communists joined the environmental movement and soon found supporters within the elected liberal camp. By this time, the American public had been so desensitized to Socialism that even conservatives began espousing socialist principles.

we have all become slaves

Socialism… in a nutshell. 

LATER: Speaking of Socialism, that reminds me of a quote:

Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evilminded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.

 -Justice Louis D. Brandeis

Socialism is always seemingly for “the greater good” isn’t it?

*I don’t like the upside down US flag on the Reject Society blog. I understand why it’s a tempting symbol. I just have and like to show a little more respect for Old Glory than that.


20 comments on “Baby Steps

  1. pam says:

    I think you’re right about the schools… and the push after the Cold War. We could all settle back and just enjoy, eh?

    …and very interesting proposition about Gen X! Hadn’t thought of that…

  2. Abbadon says:

    Great food for thought.

    As a Boomer, you guys can have the power if you agree to take care of me in my golden years. Fair trade? or too socialist?

    By the way, an upside-down flag was a signal of a ship in distress.

    I’ve seen it used that way on websites, etc. as a means of indicating that the country (ship of state) is currently in distress.

    Given that context, it doesn’t faze me.

  3. Abbadon says:

    Dammit. My comments keep getting eaten.

    [I fixed it. All of your comments were in the moderation queue. I’m not sure why. Anyway, I approved all of the ones waiting on my approval. – Prudie]

  4. Abbadon says:

    I was saying, interesting post. As a Boomer, you guys can have the power if you agree to take care of me in my declining years.

    Too socialist?

    Also, an upside-down flag is a sign of a ship in distress.

    Used in that context, i.e. the ship of state is in distress, it doesn’t bother me.

  5. Abbadon says:


    [I think that link above was the reason why all of your comments went into moderation. Like I wrote above, fixed it! – Prudie]

  6. Hey, thanks for coming by the site. I appreciate the blog-comment, it’s a very interesting take and I agree with a lot of what you said. The liberal movement in schools and media probably has a lot to do with the current downfall… and no doubt communism had a lot to do with it as well. Every major crisis in America has lead to the political class taken more and more of our freedom.

    RE Our Flag:

    Believe me, I have much respect for the flag. The symbolism is from maritime days, the upside-down flag signaling a a ship in distress. Thus, a Republic in Distress. Flying upside down as a call for help. It is stained with the blood of the men and women who died defending it’s principles over many wars, and it is torn from the constant bombardment of freedom internally and abroad. The Stars are blurred as we have essentially lost State sovereignty. It is meant as no disrespect to the flag or to the men and women who truly stand for it, it is meant as a cry out to the citizens of the republic to be wary that their freedom is in great jeopardy.

    But that does remind me, I have been meaning to make a page explaining that very thing.

    Again, thanks for nod.


  7. Prudie says:

    Ah. I didn’t know about the ship in distress thing. Well, I think I like the upside down flag now.

    Abbadon, too socialist? Sigh. Yes and no. I don’t think Boomers should be denied SS, however much I dislike it. (I do think that retirement age should be pushed WAY back.) You have, after all, paid into the scheme for some time. You deserve to benefit from your payments since they were made in good faith.

    My generation will never see a cent from SS. Which is why I detest paying into it. Philosophically, I’m against the whole thing as being too socialist. But realistically, I see the need to continue it for the forseeable future. Unfortunately.

  8. Abbadon says:

    I’m not sure I’ll see anything from SS so don’t feel bad.

    We’ll just all have to take care of each other. Maybe we can all move into a group old folks’ home for conservative gun-toting bloggers past their prime. If anyone calls us Socialists, we’ll just shoot them.


  9. Social security is headed towards a brick wall too… there is study for a male contraceptive implant that would go into (his) arm and would render him sterile until he chose to remove it. You can probably see where this is going… men would have to choose to be fathers, and the population will take a sharp drop in younger people. So what happens when the old outnumber the young 3 to 1? You cannot tax me 300% and expect that to work, or for any of those young to be interested in paying into that kind of a broken system.

    To further compound the problem, medical advances, such as nano-technology are going to increase the average lifespan of those baby-boomers. Longer lived old people, less young… it’s a current problem, but only stands to get worse.

    SS needs to go away.


  10. Prudie says:

    So what happens when the old outnumber the young 3 to 1?

    SS goes belly up. Blue hairs revolt. Blue hairs die from heatstroke while picketting in August heat. Youth inherit Blue Hairs’ mess.

    Not to make light of the problem or anything…

  11. When I listen to these politicians talk about raising taxes or “Giving up more of our pie so that others can have more” I want to simply look at them and say, “no.” They can pass all the laws in the world, but will never have the right to take away my freedom or my productivity at the point of a gun. I think there are more and more people in our generation who get that.


  12. Abbadon says:

    I think there are more and more people in our generation who get that.

    Us boomers get that, too, especially us self-employed boomers.

    The trouble is, Collin, it isn’t being taken at the point of a gun. It gets taken by the IRS under threat of destroying one’s livelihood and rendering one homeless.

    Take it from someone who just went through a very long, drawn out and expensive – for me- audit that ultimately netted a pittance for the IRS.

    The problem is, none of us want to go through that, but we are not collectively willing to stand with each other and say “NO MORE!”.

    No one gives a shit about his neighbor, when all is said and done.

    It’s all “You poor bastard” and then “I hope to Christ they don’t come after me!”

  13. Abbadon says:

    Also, it is the principled among us who are getting hurt – those of us who do business on the up and up. The scofflaws make out like bandits.

    Is it a good thing to abandon one’s principles because we think paying into a “socialist” system is wrong?

    Maybe SS should be limited to those of us who paid into it, and only what we paid into it.

  14. Abbadon, The reason I say, “At the point of a gun” is because the threat of violence and imprisonment is what follows noncompliance. They will arrive to where you are (whether it be at work, home or your child’s school play) and will point a gun to your head and take you away. Sorry to hear about the audit though, the “Self employed” are like 8x more likely to be audited. My shame is, it was my tax payer money that funded the audit… I paid them to hold that over you… which takes me to my next point.

    It goes against my principles to pay into that “socialist system” for a lot of reasons, the first is that I am funding the forced compliance of everybody else. You, my mother, and dearest friends… all of you are being forced to comply with a system because they have the money to make you comply… money I gave them.

    The second reason it’s against my principles is that campaign financing for all these shameless candidates is being funded by tax dollars, the lies they spew are made possible by the sweat of my back, and all the people I love as well. The earmark spending is out of control, buying political favors. The law enforcement system arrests peaceful pot smokers. It’s all paying interest on borrowed money, borrowing to the tune of 1.5 Billion per day. These social programs I am paying for are encouraging people to stay in their impoverish state (people that get into section 8 housing are there for a very long time). Now we are going after Oil company profits apparently… and I am paying into the system that is taking their wealth for the distribution. In fact, everyone getting a traffic ticket for some minor offense, everyone subject to a “sneak and peak” under the patriot act. Every phone tap, email scan, or other violation of privacy is also funded by me in some part. The army corp of engineers extorting money from developers over wetlands, also my fault. See what I mean? Every one of those things is morally offensive to me, and yet I am forced to fund them. On the other side of the coin, liberals have to do the same thing, they are funding the war, buying bombs and guns… they are funding corporate bail outs… etc. Regardless of who you are, for everything positive the government does, there are countless negatives… and yet we’re forced to pay. The programs are wrong (to me) the paying is wrong.

    The short version of that is, I think it would be more principled to NOT pay into that system if there is some way you can do it.

    SS should be limited to those who paid into it, and only what they paid into it… but the Government should have no authority over it. I would give up everything I paid into it to date (like I’ll get it anyway) if they would just stop talking from me. My retirement fund is well enough without the government’s involvement.


  15. Prudie says:

    “At the point of a gun” isn’t just hyperbole. The feds have the police power of the government behind them. Boortz talks about this all the time. (At least he used to, I haven’t listened in well over a year.)

    My parents, self employed at the time, owed thousands to the IRS, partly through their mistake and partly through the IRS’s mistake. I was about 10 years old. Alone at home after school while my parents worked, I was threatened on the phone with imprisonment personally by an IRS agent; he told me that my parents would be kicked out of the country (sent to Mexico) and I would be put in jail with “bad men.” Of course he had no such power to do any of that, but I believed him, not knowing any better. My parents came home to find me crying in my closet, hiding from the IRS. My mother called the IRS and raised Hell. Not that it did any good; the man who threatened me was some sort of supervisor – and his supervisor never returned any of the calls or messages my parents left.

    Take a look around the internet, there are a lot of stories like that, where IRS collectors (or whatever they’re called) use (used?) such tactics on childern to pressure the parents to pay. When there is no oversight and when a government entity is allowed as much power as the IRS has, this kind of intimidation thrives.

    (I don’t know if threatening kids is still done, but there are many stories from people my age who went through it in the 80s.)

    Oh, and my parents finally paid off their tax debt 2 years ago. They paid $200 per month for almost 20 years (which means, in total, they paid $48,000 or thereabouts) – their initial debt was less than $12,000.

    To say that I am not a fan of the IRS is to put it mildly.

  16. Wow that is quite a story… I couldn’t imagine what I would do if the IRS called my house and harassed my daughter. It probably wouldn’t be good though. There is no worse debt collector than the federal government.

    As for Boortz… I read his notes daily although I don’t typically listen to his show. His website blog is great!


  17. Abbadon says:

    The short version of that is, I think it would be more principled to NOT pay into that system if there is some way you can do it.

    The only way to do it in my business is to work without a license and insurance and hire illegal fucking aliens.

    Like a lot of my competitors who therefore have an unfair advantage. If that’s anyone’s idea of more principled, I have major issues with that kind of thinking.

    I’d rather eat ground glass.

  18. I was thinking more along the lines of “not declaring tips” or “finding more expenses to write off”… there are a lot of creative anti-taxation ideas out there. I don’t know what industry you are in so I didn’t know what cutting corners would consist of. Not having insurance is like wearing a sign that says “Kick me”… no license is the same. Illegal aliens… well I wouldn’t hire them either so I understand where you’re coming from.

    Never the less, your forced compliance is what I have the problem with…

  19. Abbadon says:

    your forced compliance is what I have the problem with…

    I don’t mind paying a reasonable amount of taxes for those things that we really need to have the government provide.

    Illegal aliens… well I wouldn’t hire them either so I understand where you’re coming from.

    Cool. Construction, actually.

  20. Prudie says:

    there are a lot of creative anti-taxation ideas out there.

    Most of them are illegal.

    Here’s my problem with that: I’m all for getting rid of the income tax, and I support the Fair Tax for that very reason, but I think that not paying your taxes is nonsense under the current system. I don’t believe that “civil disobedience” or breaking the law will cause any change. We can only enact real legislative change by working within the limitations of our current system. Breaking the law only causes the government to crack down harder within that system, which makes it harder for everyone all around.

    Now, I do believe in paying taxes. Like Abbadon said above, we must have some way of supporting government services. I’m just philosophically opposed to income taxes, for various reasons.

    And yes, there are some things that the federal government must do and they must be funded. I think that they’ve overstepped their bounds in many areas, but government spending/expansion is a whole different topic.

    Forced compliance is necessary when people break the law. The more people break the law, the more forceful the government will become in forcing compliance. (See the drug war for an example of this.) Like I said above, that just makes everyone miserable. And it causes the government to dig in it’s heels, thus making real change all that much harder.

    So, I think “cheating” on your income taxes is not the way to go if you want to change the system.

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